I am not lowering myself or lionizing anyone - I am being practical about this. If we as a society have a workable stance for/against LLMs that is beneficial to all of us I am very open to hearing about it - It would however be fair to say that I am pessimistic given a lot of our collective history. And on oop of that nobody seems to be talking about any real solutions either this time around. Just being dismissive or being all-in are equally bad approaches.
> ...nobody seems to be talking about any real solutions...
I guess you didn't bother to watch the video that is TFA. Greg K-H mentions that if you're going to use LLMs to do bug-finding, you should use open-weights models that run locally and "harnesses" built by members of the community You really should watch the video to hear his reasons for why.
There's nothing wrong with LLM-the-technology. There's everything wrong with the major LLM manufacturers.
I wasn't talking about fixing the tools or using open weight models - I don't need to watch anything to know that's an option. You are also now contradicting your earlier stance somewhat by saying what I was saying - LLMs can and will get better - you have now introduced an irrelevant open vs close element which doesn't really matter. There's no way only open weight models and harnesses get better - if you understand even a little, proprietary models with access to same open information but with billions to burn on research and hardware will get better faster.
> You are also now contradicting your earlier stance somewhat...
Not even a little bit, no. Go back and read carefully. [0][1][2][3]
[0] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49943382>
[1] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49944036>
[2] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49951289>
[3] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49951466>
Ugh stop posting links dude - answer what do you mean by your previous claim for fixing everything you were complaining about earlier - "you should use open-weights models that run locally and "harnesses" built by members of the community" - like how is that not contradicting what you are saying - if open weights and local harnesses can do it Anthropic and OpenAI will do it faster and better. That doesn't make sense at all in this conversation.
> ...like how is that not contradicting what you are saying...
A careful and honest reader notes that I've never claimed or suggested that there exists a software project that will never get better with enough time and appropriately-focused effort.
But, the single thing in this thread that statement by GK-H addresses is your claim [0] that
Of the things I've talked about in this thread, that's the least important one. However, I do understand that it is the easiest one for you to talk about while still staying vaguely "on message".
[0] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49948725>