solyin 2 hours ago

The problem is digital things don't decay in the same way as physical objects. AI can shit out a webpage for an institute that doesn't really exist and make it sound awesome until you realize there's nothing there. A webpage with a vibrant community behind it that is actively maintained looks, at first glance, the same as a page that's been put out to the pasture. A physical store that's out of business will accumulate cruft, broken windows, vines everywhere. There's not really an equivalent for bitrot. Sure, my website from 1996 looks dated because I used frames and we don't do that no more, but eBay and Yahoo and Myspace are still around. Link rot does set in though. Links to pages that no longer exist because the person running it has passed. Archive.org has such a good purpose.

Thing is though, for software, sometimes things can just be done. If a perfectly good piece of software hasn't been updated in years because it hasn't needed to be updated, then let it sit, ensconced in stone. The problem is it's hard to tell the difference between that, and something that needs maintaining but hasn't been.

  • piker 59 minutes ago

    PHP community would like a word

  • Steve16384 47 minutes ago

    > If a perfectly good piece of software hasn't been updated in years because it hasn't needed to be updated

    This. When people say "I wouldn't use this because it hasn't been updated for years", maybe it's because it doesn't need updating?

    • duiker101 18 minutes ago

      The problem is, how do you know what does not need maintaing? how do you know what's going to bite you in the future? And migrating might be a huge effort. So, the instict becomes to not pick something that is already giving you an negative signal.

      I'm not saying that I fully agree with that logic, but I think it's a pretty understandable behaviour.

  • bunderbunder 22 minutes ago

    If the repository has an issue tracker, that helps. Then you can at least see if people are posting issues and whether they are being resolved.

    I’ve seen projects that haven’t had a release in years, but the maintainer is still answering questions. I would say that counts as actively maintained, since there’s still someone around to handle bug reports.

gokaygurcan 47 minutes ago

I help maintaining one of these awesome lists, awesome-javascript, since 2018. There's been always self-promoting or similar activities, or someone coming up with an idea/forking a repository and doing some small changes, then thinking they're suggesting something groundbreaking. Because of this, we needed to add a few checks over the years to the pull request template, that basically asks if the resource is out there for a while, actively maintained, actively used by people, etc.

Recently, thanks to AI being this cheap and accessible, the amount of shitty PRs quadrupled if not more. And the worst part? Agent doesn't care about the checklist at all and re-writing the PR body with bunch of nonsense that we maintainers need to read, understand, and evaluate. I started keeping the score for the most shittiest PR based on how soon after the first commit made they open the PR. It was 11h, then 10h, and now it is 6h. How on earth a 6h old repository with zero user is considered "awesome" I don't know, but people should stop prompting their agents to create 10s of these PRs every day.

Yes, there's always an alternative: stop maintaining these lists. I don't think it's a viable option either. Sometimes you start using a new piece of tech and want to have access to somewhat curated list of resources that might speed up your understanding. There's still a bit of value to keep them alive and it's dying out bit by bit (literally) every time someone mass-creates these spammy PRs.

Thanks for reading my unsolicited rant.

  • forgotaccount3 28 minutes ago

    > Yes, there's always an alternative: stop maintaining these lists.

    Or use your own AI judge agent to filter out the submissions that clearly don't align with the intention of the list.

    • bunderbunder 15 minutes ago

      Sounds like they don’t even need to pay for AI. Maybe a deterministic script that does some basic quality checks like verifying that the linked repository isn’t day old slop, and auto-rejects the ones that don’t pass muster would be better. For starters, then you could have well-established and documented rules. Which people generally seem to prefer over AI referees that reject things for opaque and confusing reasons (e.g., YouTube moderation) and can’t be reasoned with.

  • rickdeckard 24 minutes ago

    unsolicited rant read and appreciated.

    (suggestions to expand it will be made in a dedicated PR /s)

    Great to read that there are still people out there sifting through the noise of Agents shooting PRs in all directions.

    In the end you may have to recruit an AI agent to do the (pre) review, otherwise you're ending up being the only human driver on an automated highway (place mental image of Will Smith in I-Robot here)

    Keep up the great work, it's appreciated!

meindnoch 1 hour ago

They were always junk, full of formulaic, self-promoting, astroturfing trash. In most cases, it would be more appropriate to view them as content marketing (c.f. digital pollution), not actual developer resources.

  • embedding-shape 1 hour ago

    Same with newspaper, ALWAYS been full of JUNK, they never started out well, got exploited and now wildly different than they initially were.

  • illusive4080 1 hour ago

    Completely disagree. When AI was new I found so many great tools through awesome-* repositories. There was some of that going on for sure, but most lists were a curation of good tools.

    • embedding-shape 1 hour ago

      > When AI was new

      Depending on what "generation of developers" you belong to, this could differ by decades :) Are you talking about LLMs probably? At that point, "awesome" lists were already mostly used for spam and marketing, none of the original "curated list" concept remained at this point.

      I think I noticed awesome-lists changing from "Here is a curated list of AWESOME software" to "Here is a list of every software ever built, related in any way" somewhere around 2015 (thanks IM logs!), which must have been pretty shortly after the concept was introduced even, but can't remember when that was.

  • vintermann 1 hour ago

    Very variable quality, I agree. But even an astroturfer has to throw in some actually useful tools in there to give cover for the payload they're promoting.

    • pydry 1 hour ago

      I'm pretty sure the astroturfer would just google for the most visible tools and put them in and then add their own.

      i added a PR once to add a package of mine which I thought was useful and he told me it didnt qualify as "awesome" lol. the reaction led me to dig around and I realized "oh, this is just content marketing"

  • xtracto 36 minutes ago

    I disagree with the blanket statement. Lists like awesome-scalability [1] are actually pretty useful and full of great references. They dont recommend any specific tool, and it is a very good resource to learn unknown unknowns.

    AI suffers the same problem Search Engines had: you cannot ask about something you dont know. Thats why monthly magazines were great: they pushed" knowledge to us so that we learned things we didnt know existed.

    [1] https://github.com/binhnguyennus/awesome-scalability

kdeldycke 2 hours ago

I maintain 4 awesome lists and I agree: it takes a lot of time and some are more catalogs than curated lists. Curation takes time and is like gardening especially given the half-life of content on the web. My solution was to encode my editorial process in the form of contribution guidelines: https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-iam/blob/main/.github/c...

  • embedding-shape 2 hours ago

    I used to be the editor of a newspaper. Eventually, actually reviewing all the articles in the newspaper took too long time, so instead of shutting down the newspaper, I just started accepting every single article, eventually everyone stopped reading it.

Springtime 1 hour ago

Every 'awesome' repo I can remember has seemingly been made by someone who hasn't used the things included and only read a project's readme. This dates back years before the LLM craze.

I would rather hear from users of software and their opinions, otherwise I can't take seriously something ostensibly curated for quality. In my experience such lists serve better as a way to discover new projects using eg. some framework you're interested in, if they're maintained (which is still valuable).

bemtevi 2 hours ago

I found a few lists that I found genuinely useful, like self-hosted. But I also think the problem with them is they were gamed for some reason, maybe because of Github stars and the fact that Github attention is useful for other things. I think it would have been much more useful to have them almost on a different platform. IMBD lists for example seem to work better because there's not much reward in making them except a love of movies.

Also I think another problem is that they were given high recognition on Github, and thus became a formulaic pattern rather that some individual who is really passionate about trying the stuff on the list, which also made most of the later ones generic and much less interesting...

  • PaulKeeble 1 hour ago

    Curation is also really hard to go as a group activity, there are so many different views on value and rules just don't work for taste in any way that works.

dbl000 43 minutes ago

I've personally never found awesome lists great at curation, at best they were always a laundry list of what was out there. But I think they were an excellent jumping point for discovery. I was recently working on a new project with C#, and never having used C# or the .NET ecosystem the lists were a great way to find a lot of options (even if I didn't end up using them).

Some of them probably don't really need to exist, I think I saw one that was fantasy book recommendations which looked like it was just a copy of the top 100 fantasy books from goodreads.

chiengineer3 17 minutes ago

Downloaded the top 1000 repos locally

Point my agent at them and tell it to find useful code - total size is around 100gb

There's lots of junk to waste time on out there get to work!

glimshe 1 hour ago

I'd like to better understand the reason behind these pull requests. Its not like Claude is goofing off on the Internet and trolling humans. People are prompting AI to create pull requests against a bunch of repositories.

But why? Are people trying to advertise their tools in the "awesome" lists?

What about the many PRs against popular tools? Are they trying to build a resume through OSS contributions?

  • Frieren 1 hour ago

    AI agents are extremely pro-active. If they run for long enough or with generic enough prompts they will just do shit for the sake of continue running and doing things following a unachievable goal.

fg137 1 hour ago

Even before AI they hardly provided any value.

Are you going to click them one by one and figure out what they do? When you need a library/existing tool, do you use Google or come to such a project and do a search?

I am old enough to know Yahoo Directory, and "awesome" projects are exactly that.

You can't really do much other than bookmarking/"starring" and then completely forgetting about it.

  • WesolyKubeczek 47 minutes ago

    Some do, they at least give an overview of a given ecosystem. Of course, like 90% I've seen are not exactly "curated", not for my definition of "curated". But it was a start. I still look for those lists when exploring a new (to me) system or a language, but I have extremely low expectations of them now.

    They are better than AI-generated, superficial SEO listicles you usually get with search engines.

    Do I come back to those lists? Not that I remember.

Chaosvex 2 hours ago

Never understood those repositories. Always viewed them as a collection of junk.

  • p-e-w 2 hours ago

    They’re a kind of modern version of web directories, and they failed for the same reason the original web directories did (spam/self-promotion, and outdated stuff).

    • embedding-shape 2 hours ago

      The "actual awesome" lists were awesome, as every single software linked in those were good software.

      But yeah, once "influencer developers" got a hold of the concept, misunderstood it to be an index rather than a curated list, it stopped loosing any value the concept had.

      Now it's just random individuals who want to "own" a collection, but have zero care about the quality, and just merge whatever additions.

      • matsemann 1 hour ago

        They were originally by an influencer developer (Sindre Sorhus), so they were junk from the start.

PaulKeeble 1 hour ago

There is a lot of value in good curation but its also extremely time consuming to curate well. Its very difficult to do it as a group activity especially a highly disconnected one via git/opensource and where a lot of these lists started out good the collective effort has ruined their value.

I think we need curation more than ever on the internet on a range of topics where social media of various forms don't work very well. I also think there is a real place for index's as well because search often does adjacency quite poorly since its not really optimised for that. Short curated lists are great for beginning, long ones not so much to anyone.

kalev 2 hours ago

I used to reach for an awesome list the first thing as i ventured in something new. Nowadays, i almost kinda forgot about them. Still I hold a fond memory of it, they usually contained some real gems (especially when they were relatively new).

orphereus 2 hours ago

Downfall of modern society if things don't change course.

kzsh 51 minutes ago

Implicitly credible sources attract those who benefit from exploiting credibility. This weakens credibility until audiences move on.

gumby 28 minutes ago

They always felt like the Webrings of the 21st century.

mhh__ 1 hour ago

I get the impression that we need social mechanisms to segment ourselves away from AI.

I'm broadly pro AI, I like datacentres etc, but its clear we cannot let our entire culture be penetrated by it.

At work we'll use AI aggressively, at home we'll socially punish anyone who blurs this line.

matsemann 1 hour ago

> They usually contain curated knowledge and resources related to a certain domain

No, almost never curated.

paaloeye 45 minutes ago

Were they ever awesome? By design, they attract projects looking for visibility etc.

Most of those so-called awesome lists have zero to very little no human judgement when new projects are included. One example I found in the wild is [0], which has ca. 50 awesome projects already while libghostty isn't even stable. I doubt that even 10% of those projects are anywhere good, let alone _awesome_.

I, for one, would like to have an opposite — awful-<something>. Just so we know which things we should avoid. With AI, it's getting even more important to know what to use.

[0]: https://github.com/Uzaaft/awesome-libghostty

TheCondor 55 minutes ago

Could have said “awesome repositories considered harmful”

whoishiding 2 hours ago

content curation > content generation

zodwick 1 hour ago

I'd like to add a third reason: SEO hacking

pmxi 2 hours ago

Simple: create an awesome list of awesome lists.

usacoder 1 hour ago

Like YT vids, anything titled with AWESOME, leaves me suspicious.

gosen 1 hour ago

It's kind of inevitable that they stale because of the growth. Let's say it is about programming language - if it's good language then there're more good materials about it, that means more content to maintain in an "awesome repo", and then again and again, with or without AI it would go fully stale or unmaintainable.

I guess there's no solution, these things should go to history and we need to find a better way to find "best of the best" individually while avoiding SEO-hacked resources with some bs. I actually think there's future in individual learning, so everybody will have their own learning plan, their own learning materials and all that adapted to the way they think and consume information.

Eighth 1 hour ago

awesome-selfhosted was a favourite, but has become outdated. Other awesome repos have become a target for self promotion and junk.

  • hgoel 37 minutes ago

    +1

    awesome-selfhosted was very nice in a way that most other awesome repos are not. I think this was because it covered a pretty broad topic that didn't require a lot of skill to get started in.

    Many awesome repos target such a narrow topic that the projects on the list would be early in search results anyway.

stridTastic 2 hours ago

Disagree. Some material is just timeless or even just having a name is good to go on compared to knowing nothing before.

AI is nice but never gives the same answer, will tunnel you if you have zero idea on the topic, and can be outright wrong or refuse to answer.

  • p-e-w 2 hours ago

    > Some material is just timeless

    Software tends to not fall into that category, though.

anal_reactor 45 minutes ago

I have never heard of the concept before. I clicked at the "awesome-R" link and... what am I supposed to do with that? It's a huge list of random shit and there's no way for me to filter out things that might be relevant to the problem I am currently trying to solve.

shevy-java 1 hour ago

In the long run we need to find viable alternatives to github.

I don't mean gitlab either. I think we kind of need repositories for everyone, as a human right - sounds strange but IMO we kind of need to build a new web with a lasting impact on the world. We should not need web-archive; things should be documentable. (Github is not responsible for disappearing web-pages as such, mind you; I just mean that we need to look at the whole problem here, not just on github only as gatekeeper.)

I don't like Google, but google-docs is great. LibreOffice should have something like that too. Every state as well. I really think this all needs to become a human right. Why is a US company offering this and just about everyone else is not, including governments? I don't understand it. And that is also just one example of many more things. We need to change the web to a better variant. In many ways the 1990s was better than what we have today. Everyone built websites. Today this is a bit ... well. Gone. People may at best put their "website" on facebook. That's a walled garden. It's not the same as having separate websites. I don't want the world wide web to become a walled garden gatekept by a few companies. But I don't see alternatives emerging - and nobody has time anymore, which is another problem.

  • dr_dshiv 48 minutes ago

    “Socialism, like the old politics from which it emanates, confuses Government and Society. This is why every time we do not want a thing to be done by the Government, it concludes that we do not want that thing to be done at all. We reject instruction by the State; therefore we do not want instruction. We reject a State religion; therefore we do not want religion. We reject equalization by the State; therefore we do not want equality, etc., etc. It is as if they accused us of not wanting men to eat because we reject the cultivation of wheat by the State.” https://sourcelibrary.org/book/the-law-bastiat/page/6992c4c0...

    But that’s why it’s so important that each of us are driven to make things. We can all make the world a little better by making the things that we want to exist in the world. Thou art that. It’s up to us! Shape the world, make it closer to what you want—

    Make that GitHub alternative! You can do it!

anushka_gandhi 2 hours ago

The real tragedy here is the asymmetric warfare AI enables.It costs zero effort for a spammer to script 100 PRs linking to their AI-generated wrappers,but it takes genuine human energy for maintaners to vet and reject It's a fast-track to maintainer burnout.