ataraxia937 44 minutes ago

This one again feels overblown, at least for servers. I just checked an org of over 200 GitHub repos. Node, Python, and C#. None of them are vulnerable... because none of them actually call the Brotli decoder. It's just not enabled by default on the server side, by the platforms themselves. This is much like the PHP bugs, where specific conditions have to be in play before you're actually vulnerable.

For clients? Sure, that's a bigger risk. Patch them. But bad guys aren't attacking your clients unless the clients connect to them. Don't stay up late to fix this.

(And yes, .NET is included here, because Microsoft's Brotli module is a binding for Google's vulnerable reference implementation.)

  • bbor 29 minutes ago

    I mean, I dare say the 4,200,000 Python servers built yesterday alone with this package might disagree...? https://pypistats.org/packages/brotli

    I can't find download numbers for extras, but it comes in the pretty dang innocuous-seeming `aiohttp[speedups]`, as well. Also `urllib3[brotli]`. Many, many people will be running these servers without recognizing the name of the library, especially in the agentic era.

    I might be missing something obvious in your message, cause I don't see why server/client is relevant. Why would a frontend app speak a protocol that the backend doesn't?

    • deathanatos 13 minutes ago

      That's just the total number of times that package was downloaded, which is completely unrelated to how many servers it appears in? Same with `aiohttp`: aiohttp can be used as a client library.

      Sure, people should check their dependency trees, and make informed decisions.

  • babuskov 4 minutes ago

    How did you check? Is there are PoC or some kind of command to run?

anonymous908213 1 hour ago

I could do without every memory bug getting a cute sensational name and marketing push, I have to say.

  • lovich 1 hour ago

    that ship sailed a while ago. Rowhammer is the first one I can remember

    • vinkelhake 1 hour ago

      Let's not forget about heartbleed!

      • mhio 1 hour ago

        That was the first exploit logo I can recall

        • weinzierl 42 minutes ago

          The most memorable one for me is DirtyCOW.

      • judge2020 1 hour ago

        Back in the email days the virus authors named them, e.g. YouAreAnIdiot, ILoveYou

        • Waterluvian 22 minutes ago

          The Blaster virus was a fun one.

  • aaronbrethorst 6 minutes ago

    We should start naming them like hurricanes: NIST creates a list of alphabetical names and assigns any CVE >= 9.0 with a name. Vulnerability Alex (CVE 9.4)

hatthew 30 minutes ago

I feel like normal security issues don't get much publicity. The PHP and eMudhra issues seemed severe, and worth publicity. But then with things like this, I'm not sure. Is this a severe issue? Or is it just a run of the mill issue that's only newsworthy because web security is on people's minds right now?

  • Gigachad 12 minutes ago

    The whole industry is on edge right now, and numbers wise the CVE count has exploded beyond belief. It's probably to take the side of caution, treat everything as important and update everything promptly rather than the old way of doing things where libraries are left months or years out of date until something happens.

kccqzy 1 hour ago

There’s apparently no writeup on exactly what was the fix. So I’m going to make a guess that this is the chromium commit that fixed the problem: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/224140d4...

And this commit contained a refactoring from BROTLI_BOOL to BrotliDecoderErrorCode so the situation was that probably one of the error conditions previously simply returned false but needed more detail about what went wrong to continue safely.

Well okay this change from `if (prev_ix < cur_ix)` to `if (prev_ix < cur_ix && cached_backward <= max_backward)` is also suspicious and could be an related or unrelated hardening fix.

adzm 2 hours ago

Interestingly the commit that fixes this in brotli dates back to February https://github.com/google/brotli/commit/0ed4268a4401abcb4472...

  • cowlevel 1 hour ago

    OpenAI's tweet says it wasn't recognized as security relevant so wasn't important enough to make a release - until their agent realised it was.

    https://nitter.jaydenha.uk/OpenAI/status/2113766354386084338

    • dofm 1 hour ago

      Until their agent realised there was a good chance of a press release in it.

      • SV_BubbleTime 47 minutes ago

        Chat, we need to constantly be justifying our absolutely absurd IPO. Use UltraMegThink and reference the ExploitToGetUsRegualtoryCapture.md. kkthnx

Sytten 2 hours ago

Since I checked Rust servers should be fine since the brotli crate is not a binding on the C.

csiegert 14 minutes ago

Is Deno affected, too? It uses brotli by default. But I don’t know how it is implemented.

  • gnabgib 12 minutes ago

    Deno is dead (baby)

    > We will support the Deno runtime for another year with monthly releases containing bug fixes and security updates. After that year we will end our development

    https://deno.com/blog/cloudflare

kylepomykala 1 hour ago

They just keep coming, don't they?

  • hoppp 1 hour ago

    Never gonna stop. Consider it normal. Hey, at least humans still have a job. Incident response

    • awakeasleep 1 hour ago

      Let's not kid ourselves, llm's are already doing the incident response for this in many infrastructure teams

      • hoppp 56 minutes ago

        But they don't respond with fear and flailing arms!

  • Gigachad 40 minutes ago

    For as long as we still have C code accessible to the internet.

cowlevel 3 hours ago

Likely mitigation: disable brotli (br) content-encoding on both sides

  • thayne 1 hour ago

    Unfortunately, AFAICT, there is no way to do this for node's fetch. I suspect there are other client libraries that don't have a way to disable it.

QuadmasterXLII 2 hours ago

is flask hello world with gunicorn behind apache vulnerable?

  • TZubiri 1 hour ago

    what I can say is that a 5 liner hello world starting with ‘import socket’ is not affected

    whether a hello wolrd in fastapi is affected might also be interesting

  • cpburns2009 55 minutes ago

    Only decompression with Google's brotli library is affected. So if you use "Brotli" or "brotlicffi" in your Python app to decompress brotli, you're vulnerable. Compressing responses with brotli from Apache is safe.

bibekadhikari 1 hour ago

Worth checking how brotli actually reaches your stack. In Node it's bundled into the runtime itself (zlib's brotli support), so an audit of your package tree won't surface it the way a normal dependency would - the fix arrives with a runtime release, not a package bump. The Python package on PyPI is already at 1.2.1. Until your runtime picks up the patched brotli, refusing br content-encoding at the edge seems like the fastest mitigation.

  • thayne 1 hour ago

    > refusing br content-encoding at the edge seems like the fastest mitigation.

    That's pretty difficult if you make outbound requests, and don't already have a TLS interception proxy set up.

  • cowlevel 54 minutes ago

    This is an AI karmabot comment, it should remain flagged

userbinator 18 minutes ago

Brotli, another one of those pseudostandards[1] from Big G that I was avoiding all along. Dodged another bullet.

[1] When more than half of the "standard" https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7932/#page-44 is an opaque binary blob, they're really not encouraging independent implementations.