jjcm 1 hour ago

A few things - this is one step in a long, LONG path. AV2 is currently unusable in its current state (the encoder typically runs at around 1fps on good hardware), and likely will remain so til ~2028 when the first av2 hardware accelerated chips start dropping. Even then, I wouldn't expect AV2 streams to be common til 2030.

IMO, if it were just the efficiency gains on the table (which are substantial - ~20-30% over AV1), I'd say that AV2 isn't worth it. The biggest thing it does add though is multi-stream support, which will be a big win for VR and live sports. The other fun thing is you can send an alpha channel as a separate stream, which the file will then composite for proper transparent video support.

  • adgjlsfhk1 1 hour ago

    Based on AV1's trajectory, hardware encode isn't necessary (though it is nice). The current encoder is a reference encoder. Now that the spec is finalized, expect significant speed improvements from production encoders (realtime likely won't happen until we get it in hardware though)

  • shmerl 42 minutes ago

    That's fine and not anything new for codecs, they always take a long time before mass adoption.

    Take a look at AV1 itself, you can't even say it's really ubiquitous on all hardware. It's quite well along in adoption compared to early days, but some mobile devices are still lacking hardware acceleration for it.

Dwedit 34 minutes ago

What I'm interested in is seeing how this will improve the AVIF image format. AVIF stomps the competition for low-bitrate still images (where chroma subsampling is used). For lossless images, not so much. Lossless JPEG XL and lossless WEBP make lossless AVIF look like a joke.

mmastrac 44 minutes ago

Dav2d doesn't have the same nice ring to it. I hope there's someone with a decent repo-name punning skill who'll contribute before that.

avi2ude? av2go?

  • toast0 44 minutes ago

    2av2quit?

  • Dwedit 40 minutes ago

    At least it's not D4vd.

shmerl 44 minutes ago

Congrats!

How is the case of fighting off Dolby's patent racketeering going? They tried to attack Snapchat for using AV1.

  • mmastrac 40 minutes ago

    Last update seems to be "lawsuit was filed" with zero updates since then. That stuff tends to move slowly.

    • shmerl 38 minutes ago

      Hopefully their patents will be busted and preferably Dolby will be also forced to pay damages for filing invalid lawsuits. That's the only way to teach patent trolls proper lessons.

  • basilgohar 39 minutes ago

    This will always happen. There are just some entities that can't stand not seeking rent.