ggm 1 hour ago

The point is not just that he's blinded by the flag: He's boldly marching into the void, confident. "wrapped in the flag" is a great saying.

  • ua709 1 hour ago

    Worse than a void because a void is not necessarily bad. Walking “off a cliff” rarely ends well.

  • EnPissant 18 minutes ago

    Plot twist: This was actually put up by JK Rowling and it is the trans flag. The meaning is not changed one bit, but now everyone hates it.

forgotusername6 1 hour ago

I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.

  • zeroonetwothree 1 hour ago

    Yes doesn’t feel very innovative

    • vscode-rest 1 hour ago

      Do know know of any “prior art”, so to speak?

  • wand3r 1 hour ago

    Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy. Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.

    • kergonath 6 minutes ago

      > Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy.

      Not sure if you are serious, but my experience is the exact opposite…

  • mindslight 1 hour ago

    Well the problems it's referencing are glaringly obvious as well, and yet so many people still refuse to acknowledge them.

  • thinkingemote 1 hour ago

    it gets people talking which many of those who like it consider to be the primary point. In other words, it's not great public art, it's basically government approved engagement bait or engineered pro-establishment viral messaging and it's very successful at that! (but it doesn't inspire and elevate that art should aspire to)

    • nickthegreek 1 hour ago

      > engineered pro-establishment viral messaging

      I don’t understand this. What speaks pro-establishment in this piece?

      • teekert 1 hour ago

        If one can read this as pro-establishment, it's proof that the the art is indeed not so obvious as suggested above :)

  • tbrownaw 1 hour ago

    > there is no doubt on the meaning at all

    Which flag? Or, what kind of flag? Or does it matter?

    • wartywhoa23 1 hour ago

      It is universal. The flag, the state, the man. Details don't matter.

    • MattGaiser 37 minutes ago

      Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.

      If you asked 100 people to imagine a particular flag to attach to that statue, 95% of them are going to be current, unrecognized, or former states.

    • blitzar 22 minutes ago

      the kind that flag shaggers shag

    • indy 19 minutes ago

      "The LGBTQIA flag obviously"

      "It's clearly the national flag"

    • kergonath 3 minutes ago

      It does not matter. Any ideology can be followed blindly to one’s ruin. Nationalism is common, but there are others.

    • Ancapistani 1 minute ago

      I’d say what matters is whether it matters to you. What difference does it make in the outcome?

  • tene80i 1 hour ago

    Not sure we think of Banksy as being particularly subtle. Innovative and impactful, sure - but the message is usually quite clear, no?

    • morkalork 51 minutes ago

      It's always been about as subtle as a sledge hammer

      • EGreg 24 minutes ago

        He started with literally graffiti. So sure - not subtle!!

  • Jtarii 1 hour ago

    I think a good old fashined "we are all fucked" is warranted now and again.

    It's also referencing the recent flag controversies in the UK over the past year.

  • tialaramex 1 hour ago

    I don't think most of his work is trying for subtle? First thing that came to mind: "Slave Labour" is pretty obvious, it's a kid operating a sewing machine to make Union flags and it was painted on an actual pound shop. Were you unsure of the message? Even something like "Silent Majority" isn't difficult, the comic book "V for Vendetta" makes the exact same point just Banksy painted it as a mural.

  • twoodfin 1 hour ago

    I have the same reaction to Banksy, and figure he and his audience just have to be in on the joke? I can’t discount there’s some layered irony going on in conversation between the artist and the intellectual / capitalist / trend-setting elite that are his effective patrons.

    “I remember when all this was trees” [1] is maybe the best example. Detroit hasn’t been “trees” in something like two centuries. Platitudes doused in treacle.

    [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/01/ba...

  • LightBug1 10 minutes ago

    He's always been one to land a one-liner, or just a punch line.

    Sadly, in this day and age, that simple one-punch obvious meaning is just what's needed.

  • ungreased0675 7 minutes ago

    This one definitely lacks ambition compared to other works. Probably because his other work had a subversive undertone, this one seems sponsored by the powers that be. I also suspect it was installed with cooperation from the local authorities.

  • EMM_386 2 minutes ago

    > "in September 2025, Banksy painted a mural on the Royal Courts of Justice depicting a judge bludgeoning a protester with a gavel"

    His other works aren't subtle.

schoen 1 hour ago

I misparsed this headline as

(Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag (put up by Banksy)))) in central London

It is intended to be

((Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag))) (put up by Banksy)) in central London

  • tolerance 1 hour ago

    The actual headline is more coherent but I'm not too fond of it either.

    You really don't see any good ol' fashioned short and sweet headlines that read best to the ear in a Mid-Atlantic accent anymore.

    • vscode-rest 1 hour ago

      Banksy erects central London statue of man blinded by flag, maybe?

  • saltyoldman 43 minutes ago

    I was like, that's horrible how did this flag cause someone to go blind... Did it like fall on the guy when Banksy was putting it up? oh. duh...

periodjet 1 hour ago

Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.

  • rvba 1 hour ago

    Really riles up PE types and "patriots" though.

  • vkou 1 hour ago

    This criticism would carry more weight if the people this statue criticises had the intellectual and emotional maturity beyond that of a teenager.

    Unfortunately, they often don't meet that bar, so the message has to be in a form they can understand.

    • 9dev 59 minutes ago

      "They'd be pretty angry if they could read"

    • krapp 57 minutes ago

      You're being downvoted but honestly the "everyone is twelve now" meme explains our collective societal dysfunction perfectly.

      There's no point to complexity or subtlety in art anymore, or even any kind of symbolism at all. Anything that needs to be interpreted, that doesn't have a single objective meaning which gets spelled out for you. Flag man is silly. Everyone is twelve now.

      • Lerc 45 minutes ago

        Lana Wachowski has said that the Red Pill movement taught her that no matter how unsubtle you are, it's still too subtle for some people.

  • have_faith 1 hour ago

    Are you from the UK and know what the piece is a reference to? It’s topical and unpretentious and comes at a time where the country is splintering. Feels a like a bit of a distant midwit take to take shots at the appeal it has.

    • hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 54 minutes ago

      Splintering? You have two zombie parties that are really the same in different colours. Of course people are going to vote for other parties that seem more left/right wing. Predictable consequence.

    • andai 53 minutes ago

      Explain like I'm 13 and don't live in the UK.

  • TehCorwiz 1 hour ago

    "Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world.

    • hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 56 minutes ago

      Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism?

      It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art is like this.

      • cm2012 54 minutes ago

        Both Israel and Palestine are blinded by ideology. It is a very common failure mode for people.

        • hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 44 minutes ago

          Any attempt at "both sides" messaging is just an attempt of diversion from ethnic cleansing. Cute messages break down the moment you look at things more concretely.

          Even if you don't care about palestine, keep in mind imperialist states never stop at one place as we are already seeing.

          • lukan 40 minutes ago

            So ... Hamas does not want to do ethnic cleansing and attempted that a couple of times, but simply were not as powerful to have a bigger impact?

            • t-3 29 minutes ago

              Resistance to illegal occupation and colonization isn't ethnic cleansing, it's a legal right as ruled by every international body since Israel was formed. Totally false equivalence.

      • garyfirestorm 50 minutes ago

        waving any flag and thinking its us or them is equally blinding. the world is not vacuum and to coexist we need to put flags behind and work together.

    • miketery 53 minutes ago

      Why nationalism? A flag can represent more than a nation. Can be blinded by any "flag" / ideology.

      • MattGaiser 49 minutes ago

        Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.

        • lucketone 29 minutes ago

          Nations != governments.

          “Nations” as synonym for country started appearing only recently, in last two/three hundred years.

          Flags have thousands of years of history.

      • delusional 45 minutes ago

        Interpretations, in my art?

        Seriously, this is part of the fun of art. Neither of you are wrong for reading different messages into it.

      • adolph 44 minutes ago

        The ambiguity is part of the charm. Something that reveals more about the beholders than the artist makes for stimulating conversation and discovery.

        Even the new positioning of the art on a plinth in some open space is enigmatic. If it were a critique of the powers that be, why would officialdom collaborate in propping it up?

  • infinitewars 1 hour ago

    I think it deserves credit for being both simple and original.

  • odyssey7 1 hour ago

    Maybe, but in 100 years, people looking back on the current era will easily understand the work. It symbolically communicates something about the spirit of the age.

  • ryandrake 1 hour ago

    Heaven forbid someone tries to communicate a point with art.

  • TacticalCoder 55 minutes ago

    He's also king of the "I'll criticize the west but I'll turn a blind-eye to non-democratic countries' wrongdoings". A trait shared with virtually all intellectuals and artists in the west.

    There are fights worth fighting: for example there are 300 million women alive who have undergone forced genital mutilation. 300 million ain't cheap change. There are also hundreds of millions of people who applauded the killing of 1200 young civilians who were enjoying life at a music festival "because it's resistance".

    Applauding the killing of young unarmed civilians, genitally mutilating women and turning a blind-eye to a regime slaughtering 30 000+ of its own unarmed civilians is where I personally draw the line and consider there are maybe more important things to complain about than, say, "the patriarchal western society built by heterosexual white men" or some other woke non-sense like that.

    Now to be honest Banksy did art criticizing war overall, not just war started by the west. So a generous reading could consider that he also criticizes things like the 800 000 deaths during the Hutu vs Tutsi war.

    But still overall: lots of balls from western artists when it's about criticizing the west, but tiny tiny nuts when it's about, say, attacking the ideology that is responsible for 300 people enjoying music at the Bataclan and then getting slaughtered.

    But these people can live with their own conscience: I speak up and I've got mine.

    • constantius 41 minutes ago

      That's a lot of imaginary flaws in imaginary people, with imaginary numbers as scaffolding.

      The moral posture you're criticising is not actually a thing, I personally don't know of any Western intellectual who criticises the West but is fine with FGM for example. But it seems that the fault you find in them is that when they criticise the West, for example, they don't also add a list of grievances against all the other countries (but surely they'd have to speak for 10 hours every time they open their mouths?).

      It's also funny how you take the 30,000 Iranian civilians killed at face value, but don't talk about the wrongs of the British empire. And you didn't even mention North Korea once. You see the issue with your reqs?

    • delusional 40 minutes ago

      What do you want the artists to do about it? Part of art's power is shining a light on something we don't notice day to day. Most westeners are against mutilation, what would the art say?

      Art will always be about speaking truth to power, and that power will usually be the one closest felt. There's not much value in a swede speaking truth to Nigerian warlords.

    • zuminator 37 minutes ago

      There's a lot wrong with the world, but it seems not unreasonable for people to more strongly critique things 1) they feel they have some responsibility for or 2) that directly impact them or 3) where their criticisms are more likely to result in positive change.

    • bravoetch 30 minutes ago

      Are you making art to fill that perceived gap, or just lodging your objection to people doing their own thing? No artist owes you a curriculum of your design.

  • jiriro 54 minutes ago

    > Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.

    You are wrong.

  • Fezzik 45 minutes ago

    Most galvanizing statements have been pithy and comprehensible to 13 year olds. The general population is not doing a deep dive in to something like Thoreau’s “Resistance to Civil Government,” contemplating the proper role of government, and then getting fired up to act. We need CliffsNotes, slogans, and visible art like this.

  • touwer 44 minutes ago

    So, you are 14 and you understand the world? Doesn't seem like it

  • stavros 32 minutes ago

    This works really well these days, when the average person is 13.

  • pippy 32 minutes ago

    The irony is that the statue is being guarded by the London police.

    • ungreased0675 1 minute ago

      That’s not irony. It’s a pro-establishment piece. If it was a piece about migrants raping British women Banksy would be in jail right now.

  • CPLX 31 minutes ago

    Actually is a great example of something different, which the person who was original and eventually becomes ubiquitous and groundbreaking and widely imitated to the point where it's hard to understand just how original they actually are.

    There are many examples of the same thing: Andy Warhol and the soup cans, or the screen-printed portraits with different color backgrounds or Led Zeppelin and English folk hard rock songs that have hobbits in them are two of them.

    Eventually, it's hard to even process their work in the context of how predictable and trite it seems to be a few decades later.

  • yakkomajuri 5 minutes ago

    It doesn't need to be super layered to be impactful?

    Plus the execution is also part of the art.

wartywhoa23 1 hour ago

Banksy's "anonymity" is a total farce at this point, thoroughly supported by those in power.

  • Lerc 55 minutes ago

    I'm not sure what you mean by "Those in power" there are lot's of people who know, but recognise that he has chosen anonymity and see no value in putting a name to the person.

    It's not so much a secret as it is simply not public.

  • toyg 53 minutes ago

    Who cares? Are you similarly triggered by The Rock or Alemao? Banksy is Banksy.

  • badgersnake 33 minutes ago

    The point appears to have whizzed a couple of feet over your head.

  • axus 57 seconds ago

    Tracking Bansky is a favorite spy software sales demo given to authoritarian governments.

tommica 1 hour ago

Yeah, definetly had the city agree to it, no way in hell to sneak a statue like that without the cops getting involved.

  • gib444 1 hour ago

    Agreed. Also why it's totally inoffensive

    (Though it's not in /the/ City of London. That wouldn't happen in a million years! City of Westminster is way more culturally flexible)

    • tialaramex 46 minutes ago

      It doesn't make sense in the City. Waterloo Place, where he put this, has a bunch of statues already for tourists to gawp at, just now as well as "Bloke on a Horse who was an important military leader" there's this guy stepping off his plinth because the flag blocks him from seeing what's in front of him.

      The City is dead at night. If an artist wants to put art there, they'd just as somebody else said, dress up like they are workmen and be fine.

  • vscode-rest 1 hour ago

    The trick is not to sneak it. Hi Viz and some yellow flashing lights. Couple smooth talkers.

    • consp 30 minutes ago

      Pretty much what we learned as student when we were doing something which we technically had no permit for (like digging out some stuff, using it for a theme party and putting it backs few days later). Put on some hiviz and nobody is the wiser.

  • encom 42 minutes ago

    Banksy (Robin Gunningham) is the most mainstream establishment artist, while thinks himself a counter-culture revolutionary. That's what makes him so cringe. He's just another champagne socialist.

    • lucketone 13 minutes ago

      Somebody has to enlighten mimosa-party participants about socialism.

nickthegreek 1 hour ago

The piece states that it appears to be molded fiberglass. But is anyone aware of any more in depth analysis of its materials/possible production technique? Was the pillar barren on top before?

  • ZeroGravitas 57 minutes ago

    The pillar is fiberglass too, I believe.

    There's a (mostly terrible) documentary about a previous bansky "statue" deposited in London that, in one of its better moments, tracks down the people who actually make statues for artists like banksy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Banksy_Job

    edit: I feel I should clarify that this is not an official Banksy documentary. He made "Exit Through the Gift Shop" which is an amazing film which I highly recommend to anyone.

seydor 1 hour ago

Anyone else leaving up a huge statue in the middle of the park would be arrested

declan_roberts 37 minutes ago

Things were more fun when they were actually transgressive and not just the established doctrine of those in power.

  • _hark 18 minutes ago

    Yeah. The safety of the message is underwritten by its state sanction.

nothinkjustai 34 minutes ago

If someone was to deface this statue would they face legal action? It’s kind of an interesting thought, side if it really was just put up without the city’s authority it would be okay, and if it wasn’t it defeats the entire point.

“Rage against the machine” by doing what the machine wants type thing.

  • declan_roberts 4 minutes ago

    Yes. This is state-sanctioned think. They probably paid to put it up!

  • lucketone 4 minutes ago

    That evil city council..

haunter 45 minutes ago

He definitely got a permit for that which makes the whole thing even more laughable

  • CPLX 28 minutes ago

    There's no definitely about that at all. The city of Westminster issued a statement that seems fairly clear that they were as surprised as everybody else but are taking steps to protect it.

xyzelement 56 minutes ago

It took me a minute to figure out why I think it's lame.

I suspect that Banksy and his fans are sure that it's "the other" Britons that are blinded, it's not a self-reflection prompt for them. Maybe I am wrong.

Maybe a more powerful piece of art would have that self reflection effect across the board. As is it feels about as nuanced as "fuck trump" and similar. If you already agree you already agree, if not then you just think it's stupid. So ultimately feels like impotent art unless I am totally misunderstanding.

  • lschueller 43 minutes ago

    So many people connect this to political topics... For me this is the genius thing about the statue. Seems to be, that quite a lot people are so wrapped up in political debates and political positions, that it has to have political meaning. Maybe this statue is the exact opposit thing of a political message.

  • fylo 35 minutes ago

    Are you trying to be ironic?

  • delusional 35 minutes ago

    Yet us talking about it just prompted me to consider how that applies to my life, so something good came of it :)

  • lucketone 7 minutes ago

    Is it that important to decode what author thought when he was making it?

    What if the design was made by generative model, does the statue become more or less valuable?

  • LightBug1 2 minutes ago

    I don't think it's impotent at all.

    I think you're wildly overestimating the general population's capacity for nuance.

    Particularly in a world where nuance goes the same way as wood logs near a fire place.

AlexandrB 1 hour ago

Which flag?

  • LightBug1 1 minute ago

    And others in this thread were worried about it being too obvious ... ffs

metalman 1 hour ago

Statue of a man in a suit walking off a precipice while blinding himself with the flag he is carrying.

https://banksy.co.uk/index.html

  • Simulacra 29 minutes ago

    I can't get over the flag itself… It's a black flag. Not a British flag, not a white flag,… A BLACK flag.

    Historically, the black flag is strongly associated with anarchism, anti-state politics, revolt, and rejection of national authority.

    Had he colored it in the union jack, then I would've said it was nationalism, and the person is blinded by nationalism.

    But. This is Banksy, black-and-white Banksy, so there may be no symbolism behind the black flag, but it's just very interesting. I can't accept that he would not have considered the color of the flag.

    • mindslight 22 minutes ago

      I think it's about being slightly more subtle than a frontal attack on a specific flag.

      But from an American perspective a guy wearing a suit while carrying an "anarchist" flag wouldn't be inappropriate, either.

nickdothutton 1 hour ago

Remember kids. Don't believe in anything. Don't join anything. Don't give even a small part of yourself up to anything. Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself.

  • bdangubic 1 hour ago

    much more sound advice than you think…

  • wartywhoa23 1 hour ago

    Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself that treats you as expendable human oil.

  • schaefer 46 minutes ago

    Counterpoint: Where I come from, families don't have flags.

  • BLKNSLVR 22 minutes ago

    You forgot to add:

    ... that blinds you to any alternative; that indoctrinates distrust in different perspectives; that elevates the humanity of fellow believers above others.

jansan 1 hour ago

Who decides that this is from Banksy? I could make a stencil graffiti in my village and claim it's from Banksy and noone could prove me wrong. Or is he using a digital signature as proof of authorship?

MrBuddyCasino 1 hour ago

Really makes you think. I guess Palestine and Ukraine should just give up.

dickens5 1 hour ago

Trite and uninspiring. Banksy trying to stay relevant and failing.

  • lschueller 50 minutes ago

    Well, for a failing artist he is quite impactful, isn't he? News around the world reporting about it. People discussing it. This seems to be quite inspiring and anything else but failing.

  • BLKNSLVR 21 minutes ago

    Got you to comment, job done. Engagement: tick.