points by triceratops 1 month ago

The profit is compensation for the risk. The mortgage and property taxes and maintenance are due no matter what - can't find a tenant, tenant doesn't pay, tenant flushes paper towels down the toilets every day etc etc.

If there was no profit there would be no landlords. Some might say that's great. But it would be a world with less flexibility, with fewer choices. Don't like your job and want to move? Split up with your partner and need someplace to live? Moved to a new city and don't know where you want to put down roots yet? At college for 4 years? Don't want to deal with house maintenance? "F** you, buy a house anyway". That's what we'd have if there was no rental housing.

TimorousBestie 1 month ago

Okay, so why were you asking if renting can be more expensive than buying? You seem to already know that it can be.

  • triceratops 1 month ago

    I said they were inventing fantasy scenarios.

    The actual numbers might be more like rent $1400 vs mortgage $1000. After property taxes, insurance, and maintenance there might be $50 left. A handsome 3.5% profit, rising to maybe 6-7% if you include principal paydown. This is hardly a money-printing machine. It's a steady return for taking on some risk.

    • TimorousBestie 1 month ago

      Ah, I see, you wanted to split hairs on the numbers. Fair enough.

      • triceratops 1 month ago

        It isn't splitting hairs. The numbers actually matter.

        • TimorousBestie 1 month ago

          It’s at risk of becoming a fractal of splitting hairs. Substituting your numbers in for theirs doesn’t change much. It’s still more expensive to rent.

          Kind of an unhelpful tangent to the discussion, really.

          • triceratops 1 month ago

            > Substituting your numbers in for theirs doesn’t change much

            You can buy a boat for $10 or rent one for $9. Assuming you really want a boat, would you buy or rent? Do my numbers reflect reality? Do they have a bearing on the choice you make?

          • Dylan16807 1 month ago

            It changes a TON whether you pay 2x for renting or whether you pay 1.05x.

            Renting has annoyances but it also has flexibility. A flat "more expensive" is staring at one tree and missing the whole forest of tradeoffs. Way more people would choose to spend $50/month for that flexibility versus $700/month.

      • albedoa 1 month ago

        ?? How in the world is it splitting hairs to point out that those numbers don't make sense. It is directly relevant to the question of how many Americans want to rent. You don't need to be like this :(