jawon 39 minutes ago

I was thinking about inhouse model inference speeds at frontier labs like Anthropic and OpenAI after reading the "Claude built a C compiler" article.

Having higher inference speed would be an advantage, especially if you're trying to eat all the software and services.

Anthropic offering 2.5x makes me assume they have 5x or 10x themselves.

In the predicted nightmare future where everything happens via agents negotiating with agents, the side with the most compute, and the fastest compute, is going to steamroll everyone.

  • stavros 8 minutes ago

    This makes no sense. It's not like they have a "slow it down" knob, they're probably parallelizing your request so you get a 2.5x speedup at 10x the price.

  • falloutx 11 minutes ago

    Thats also called slowing down default experience so users have to pay more for the fast mode. I think its the first time we are seeing blatant speed ransoms in the LLMs.

    • throw310822 7 minutes ago

      Slowing down respect to what?

      • falloutx 5 minutes ago

        Slowing down with respect to original speed of response. Basically what we used to get few months back and what is the best possible experience.

  • crowbahr 12 minutes ago

    Where on earth are you getting these numbers? Why would a SaaS company that is fighting for market dominance withhold 10x performance if they had it? Where are you getting 2.5x?

    This is such bizarre magical thinking, borderline conspiratorial.

    There is no reason to believe any of the big AI players are serving anything less than the best trade off of stability and speed that they can possibly muster, especially when their cost ratios are so bad.

    • jawon 3 minutes ago

      Not magical thinking, not conspiratorial, just hypothetical.

      Just because you can't afford to 10x all your customers' inference doesn't mean you can't afford to 10x your inhouse inference.

      And 2.5x is from Anthropic's latest offering. But it costs you 6x normal API pricing.

paxys 2 hours ago

Looking at the "Decide when to use fast mode", it seems the future they want is:

- Long running autonomous agents and background tasks use regular processing.

- "Human in the loop" scenarios use fast mode.

Which makes perfect sense, but the question is - does the billing also make sense?

Nition 3 hours ago

Note that you can't use this mode to get the most out of a subscription - they say it's always charged as extra usage:

> Fast mode usage is billed directly to extra usage, even if you have remaining usage on your plan. This means fast mode tokens do not count against your plan’s included usage and are charged at the fast mode rate from the first token.

Although if you visit the Usage screen right now, there's a deal you can claim for $50 free extra usage this month.

dmix 13 minutes ago

I really like Anthropic's web design. This doc site looks like it's using gitbook (or a clone of gitbook) but they make it look so nice.

niobe an hour ago

So fast mode uses more tokens, in direct opposition to Gemini where fast 'mode' means less. One more piece of useless knowledge to remember.

  • Sol- 39 minutes ago

    I don't think this is the case, according to the docs, right? The effort level will use fewer tokens, but the independent fast mode just somehow seems to use some higher priority infrastructure to serve your requests.

clbrmbr 2 hours ago

I’d love to hear from engineers who find that faster speed is a big unlock for them.

The deadline piece is really interesting. I suppose there’s a lot of people now who are basically limited by how fast their agents can run and on very aggressive timelines with funders breathing down their necks?

  • throw310822 a minute ago

    The idea of development teams bottlenecked by agent speed rather than people, ideas, strategy, etc. gives me some strange vibes.

  • sothatsit 2 hours ago

    If it could help avoid you needing to context switch between multiple agents, that could be a big mental load win.

IMTDb 3 hours ago

I’m curious what’s behind the speed improvements. It seems unlikely it’s just prioritization, so what else is changing? Is it new hardware (à la Groq or Cerebras)? That seems plausible, especially since it isn’t available on some cloud providers.

Also wondering whether we’ll soon see separate “speed” vs “cleverness” pricing on other LLM providers too.

  • kingstnap 2 hours ago

    It comes from batching and multiple streams on a GPU. More people sharing 1 GPU makes everyone run slower but increases overall token throughput.

    Mathematically it comes from the fact that this transformer block is this parallel algorithm. If you batch harder, increase parallelism, you can get higher tokens/s. But you get less throughput. Simultaneously there is also this dial that you can speculatively decode harder with fewer users.

    Its true for basically all hardware and most models. You can draw this Pareto curve of how much throughput per GPU vs how many tokens per second per stream. More tokens/s less total throughput.

    See this graph for actual numbers:

    Token Throughput per GPU vs. Interactivity gpt-oss 120B • FP4 • 1K / 8K • Source: SemiAnalysis InferenceMAX™

    https://inferencemax.semianalysis.com/

  • sothatsit 3 hours ago

    There are a lot of knobs they could tweak. Newer hardware and traffic prioritisation would both make a lot of sense. But they could also lower batching windows to decrease queueing time at the cost of lower throughput, or keep the KV cache in GPU memory at the expense of reducing the number of users they can serve from each GPU node.

  • Nition 3 hours ago

    I wonder if they might have mostly implemented this for themselves to use internally, and it is just prioritization but they don't expect too many others to pay the high cost.

  • jstummbillig 3 hours ago

    > It seems unlikely it’s just prioritization

    Why does this seem unlikely? I have no doubt they are optimizing all the time, including inference speed, but why could this particular lever not entirely be driven by skipping the queue? It's an easy way to generate more money.

    • singpolyma3 3 hours ago

      Until everyone buys it. Like fast pass at an amusement park where the fast line is still two hours long

      • sothatsit 2 hours ago

        At 6x the cost, and it requiring you to pay full API pricing, I don’t think this is going to be a concern.

      • servercobra 2 hours ago

        It's a good way to squeeze extra out of a bunch of people without actually raising prices.

  • re-thc 19 minutes ago

    Nvidia GB300 i.e. Blackwell.

  • pshirshov 3 hours ago

    > so what else is changing?

    Let me guess. Quantization?

pronik 3 hours ago

While it's an excellent way to make more money in the moment, I think this might become a standard no-extra-cost feature in several months (see Opus becoming way cheaper and a default model within months). Mental load management while using agents will become even more important it seems.

  • giancarlostoro 3 hours ago

    Yeah especially once they make an even faster fast mode.

simonw 3 hours ago

The one question I have that isn't answered by the page is how much faster?

Obviously they can't make promises but I'd still like a rough indication of how much this might improve the speed of responses.

l5870uoo9y 2 hours ago

It doesn’t say how much faster it is but from my experience with OpenAI’s “service_tier=priority” option on SQLAI.ai is that it’s twice as fast.

jonplackett 13 minutes ago

Is this is the beginning of the ‘Speedy boarding’ / ‘Fastest delivery’ enshitification?

Where everyone is forced to pay for a speed up because the ‘normal’ service just gets slower and slower.

I hope not. But I fear.

rustyhancock an hour ago

At this point why don't we just CNAME HN to the Claude marketing blog?

1123581321 3 hours ago

Could be a use for the $50 extra usage credit. It requires extra usage to be enabled.

> Fast mode usage is billed directly to extra usage, even if you have remaining usage on your plan. This means fast mode tokens do not count against your plan’s included usage and are charged at the fast mode rate from the first token.

  • minimaxir 3 hours ago

    After exceeding the increasingly shrinking session limit with Opus 4.6, I continued with the extra usage only for a few minutes and it consumed about $10 of the credit.

    I can't imagine how quickly this Fast Mode goes through credit.

  • arcanemachiner 2 hours ago

    It has to be. The timing is just too close.

maz1b 2 hours ago

AFAIK, they don't have any deals or partnerships with Groq or Cerebras or any of those kinds of companies.. so how did they do this?

  • tcdent 2 hours ago

    Inference is run on shared hardware already, so they're not giving you the full bandwidth of the system by default. This most likely just allocates more resources to your request.

    • AnotherGoodName 7 minutes ago

      More specifically it just goes the to front of every queue. AI datacenters don't run your query on a specific GPU or server (or even a specific set of GPU's). They break every query you send them down into chunks, send it off into processing queues and put it back together at the end. Everything is architectured as pipelines of data aiming for constant 100% utilization at every stage on that expensive hardware. The way you achieve this is with constantly full queues of jobs ready to go at, ensuring there's no stalls in that pipeline at each stage.

      The queues add latency but are necessary to avoid under-utilization in any HPC environment. It's straighfoward to have priorities of jobs. Eg. you might want internal training to be low pri, inference from regular customers mid and then this, the top tier high pri. Keep every GPU/TPU fully utilized, anything less is an expensive waste of hardware.

  • hendersoon 2 hours ago

    Could well be running on Google TPUs.

simianwords 2 hours ago

Whatever optimisation is going on is at the hardware level since the fast option persists in a session.

esafak 2 hours ago

It's a good way to address the price insensitive segment. As long as they don't slow down the rest, good move.

pedropaulovc 3 hours ago

Where is this perf gain coming from? Running on TPUs?

  • AnotherGoodName 25 minutes ago

    AI data centers are a whole lot of pipelines pumping data around utilizing queues. They want those expensive power hungry cards near 100% utilized at all times. So they have a queue of jobs on each system ready to run, feeding into the GPU memory as fast as completed jobs are read out of memory (and passed into the next stage) and they aim to have enough backlog in these queues to keep the pipeline full. You see responses in seconds but at the data center you're request was broken into jobs, passed around into queues, processed in an orderly manner and pieced back together.

    With fast mode you're literally skipping the queue. An outcome of all of this is that for the rest of us the responses will become slower the more people use this 'fast' option.

    I do suspect they'll also soon have a slow option for those that have Claude doing things overnight with no real care for latency of the responses. The ultimate goal is pipelines of data hitting 100% hardware utilization at all times.

krm01 3 hours ago

Will this mean that when cost is more important than latency that replies will now take longer?

I’m not in favor of the ad model chatgpt proposes. But business models like these suffer from similar traps.

If it works for them, then the logical next step is to convert more to use fast mode. Which naturally means to slow things down for those that didn’t pick/pay for fast mode.

We’ve seen it with iPhones being slowed down to make the newer model seem faster.

Not saying it’ll happen. I love Claude. But these business models almost always invite dark patterns in order to move the bottom line.

thisisauserid an hour ago

Instead of better/cheaper/faster you just the the last one?

Back to Gemini.

henning 7 minutes ago

LLM programming is very easy. First you have to prompt it to not mistakes. Then you have to tell it to go fast. Software engineering is over bro, all humans will be replaced in 6 days bro

jhack 2 hours ago

The pricing on this is absolutely nuts.

  • nick49488171 2 hours ago

    For us mere mortals, how fast does a normal developer for through a MTok. How about a good power user?

    • snowfield an hour ago

      A developer can blast millions of tokens in minutes. When you have a context size of 250k that’s just 4 queries. But with tool usage and subsequent calls etc it can easily just do many millions in one request

      But if you just ask a question or something it’ll take a while to spend a million tokens…

      • nick49488171 26 minutes ago

        Seems like an opportunity to condense the context into 'documentation' level and only load the full text/code for files that expect to be edited?

hmokiguess 3 hours ago

Give me a slow mode that’s cheaper instead lol

thehamkercat 4 hours ago

Interesting, output price is insane/Mtok

solidasparagus 3 hours ago

I pay $200 a month and don't get any included access to this? Ridiculous

  • pedropaulovc 3 hours ago

    Well, you can burn your $50 bonus on it

  • bakugo 3 hours ago

    The API price is 6x that of normal Opus, so look forward to a new $1200/mo subscription that gives you the same amount of usage if you need the extra speed.

    • MuffinFlavored 3 hours ago

      I always wondered this, is this true/does the math come out to be really that bad? 6x?

      Is the writing on the wall for $100-$200/mo users that, it's basically known-subsidized for now and $400/mo+ is coming sooner than we think?

      Are they getting us all hooked and then going to raise it in the future, or will inference prices go down to offset?

  • kingforaday 3 hours ago

    ..But it says "Available to all Claude Code users on subscription plans (Pro/Max/Team/Enterprise) and Claude Console."

    Is this wrong?

    • behindsight 2 hours ago

      It's explicitly called out as excluded in the blue info bubble they have there.

      > Fast mode usage is billed directly to extra usage, even if you have remaining usage on your plan. This means fast mode tokens do not count against your plan’s included usage and are charged at the fast mode rate from the first token.

      https://code.claude.com/docs/en/fast-mode#requirements

    • sothatsit 2 hours ago

      I think this is just worded in a misleading way. It’s available to all users, but it’s not included as part of the plan.

speedping 3 hours ago

> $30/150 MTok Umm no thank you

aabhay an hour ago

What is “$30/150MTok”? Claude Opus 4.6 is normally priced at “$25/MTok”. Am I just reading it wrong or is this a typo?

EDIT: I understand now. $30 for input, $150 for output. Very confusing wording. That’s insanely expensive!

  • stavros an hour ago

    Yeah I don't understand. Is it actually saying that fast mode is ten times more expensive than normal mode? I cannot be reading this right.