points by dang 10 years ago

> HackerNews should promote culture of science and critical thinking and shouldn't be accepting of the fad diets like lchf, paleo, keto and other scaremongering bs.

No, Hacker News should promote curious conversation that respects people's right to differing views. This is a pluralistic place where people are allowed to be wrong. Strident denunciations—even (or rather especially) in the name of correct scientific positions—are corrosive of the social contract here and should be eschewed regardless of how right you are, or believe you are.

Otherwise the endgame is a few absolutists yelling at each other, and everyone else leaving.

cbd1984 10 years ago

Are you going to uncensor it?

cbd1984 10 years ago

So you censor his side and leave the rest up?

  • okket 10 years ago

    I don't know why this got flagged. There were two links to Anthony Colpo. I tried to read them and get his point, but his style is borderline unreadable. No scientific arguments, only vitriol / straw man with lots of overloaded images. Feel free to Google him.

    The flagged post was in this tone also, calling lies and requested we do not discuss the sugar hypotheses here. So you could interpret this as "The call for censorship got censored" ;)

    • Evgeny 10 years ago

      I tried to read them and get his point, but his style is borderline unreadable. No scientific arguments,

      The first link has 28 references to scientific texts and studies, the second has 57.

      Speak what you want about his style, but his works are always well-researched and well-referenced.

      • okket 10 years ago

        Adding random citations to straw man arguments proves nothing. It only make it look "sciency". Is his "work" cited anywhere in relevant science journals?

        So far I only find a lot echo-chamber forums and questionable publishers (Kopp-Verlag, esoteric/far right stuff)

        • Evgeny 10 years ago

          Adding random citations to straw man arguments proves nothing.

          Did we even read the same articles?

          Here are some examples I picked up in five minutes that look like completely reasonable referencing to me.

          Anyone with an Internet connection can easily verify as much for themselves by visiting the Food and Agriculture (FAO) website, and checking the per capita intake of sweeteners in Japan for that year. Do that, and you’ll see the Japanese were averaging 52 calories per day from fruits, and a far more significant 174 calories daily from sugar. “Sweeteners, Other” and “Honey” supplied another 86 cals/day[7]

          So just from sugar alone, the Japanese were obtaining 22 grams, or 4.4 teaspoons, of fructose per day. The Japanese do indeed eat fructose-containing sugar, and have been doing so for hundreds of years[8].

          The same FAO data we just checked out shows that in 2009, the average per capita energy intake in Japan was 2,674 calories/day. The corresponding figure for the USA was 3,652 calories/day[7]

          Unlike the US rise in obesity, which stems from both declining activity and a marked increase in per capita caloric intake[11, 7], Australia’s rise seems to have been caused almost entirely from decreasing physical activity.

          The indignant paediatrician then completely refuted himself a moment later when he admitted that Americans were indeed eating more than they were in the 1980s[13]. And at 7:30 in his “Bitter Truth” video, Lustig acknowledges to his audience: “We are all eating more now than we did 20 years ago.”[4]

          Taubes cites a 2004 CDC article reporting that since 1971, total fat intake increased among women by a mere 6.5 grams but decreased among men by 5.3 grams[14]. This gives the impression overall fat intake has remained relatively unchanged.

        • cbd1984 10 years ago

          You are obviously too biased to be reliable on this subject.

  • dang 10 years ago

    The only 'censoring' was done by user flags.

    • cbd1984 10 years ago

      It could be unflagged by the moderation staff.